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		<title>By: MP</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach my Signals and Systems course using the second edition of the text I used 25 years ago.  In a quarter of a century, he has revised his book once.  Not bad for an engineering course that covers digital signal processing.  No, he&#039;s not missing anything.  The basics remain the same, no matter what changes in the technology.

If the book is written properly the first time, it shouldn&#039;t need constant revisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach my Signals and Systems course using the second edition of the text I used 25 years ago.  In a quarter of a century, he has revised his book once.  Not bad for an engineering course that covers digital signal processing.  No, he&#8217;s not missing anything.  The basics remain the same, no matter what changes in the technology.</p>
<p>If the book is written properly the first time, it shouldn&#8217;t need constant revisions.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfSwitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfSwitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Mike! That&#039;s exactly what I was looking for. And it&#039;s great that they give you the option to only have the instructor of the course be able to send e-mails, not students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mike! That&#8217;s exactly what I was looking for. And it&#8217;s great that they give you the option to only have the instructor of the course be able to send e-mails, not students.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ernst</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I use this:

http://huskynet.stcloudstate.edu/instructional/coursefiles/requestEmail.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I use this:</p>
<p><a href="http://huskynet.stcloudstate.edu/instructional/coursefiles/requestEmail.asp" rel="nofollow">http://huskynet.stcloudstate.edu/instructional/coursefiles/requestEmail.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Seghers</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Seghers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only this were the exceptional case...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only this were the exceptional case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Proulx</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Proulx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many times when looking at these textbooks that these other students were using in their classes, I wondered if I would have even chosen to major in economics if I had to use the texts they were using.&quot; (from above)

is better said this way...

&quot;As someone who was already well into the econ major and really liked economics, I often wondered as I looked through some of their textbooks if I&#039;d have even chosen economics as a major if I&#039;d been given the introduction to the material that they were getting in their textbooks.  I, as someone who really LIKES economics, could see possibly being so turned off by those texts that I might not have ever chosen the econ major.  I often wondered while tutoring frustrated students if they would feel differently if they&#039;d had the great introduction to the topic of economics that the Mankiw text gave me.&quot;

So, I guess if there&#039;s a &quot;moral&quot; to this story, it&#039;s that I think that textbook selection should be made a HUGE priority, in the principles classes, especially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many times when looking at these textbooks that these other students were using in their classes, I wondered if I would have even chosen to major in economics if I had to use the texts they were using.&#8221; (from above)</p>
<p>is better said this way&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;As someone who was already well into the econ major and really liked economics, I often wondered as I looked through some of their textbooks if I&#8217;d have even chosen economics as a major if I&#8217;d been given the introduction to the material that they were getting in their textbooks.  I, as someone who really LIKES economics, could see possibly being so turned off by those texts that I might not have ever chosen the econ major.  I often wondered while tutoring frustrated students if they would feel differently if they&#8217;d had the great introduction to the topic of economics that the Mankiw text gave me.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, I guess if there&#8217;s a &#8220;moral&#8221; to this story, it&#8217;s that I think that textbook selection should be made a HUGE priority, in the principles classes, especially.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Proulx</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Proulx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic of textbooks, I&#039;m just going to make a little pitch for one particular author.  The profs I had for Principles of Macroeconomics (Econ 205) and Principles of Microeconomics (Econ 206) both used N. Gregory Mankiw texts, and they were the best written texts I had in my college career.  As a tutor for students in the principles classes, I got to see a lot of other principles texts, and I didn&#039;t see any that I felt were anywhere close to as good as his.  Some were AWFUL.  Many times when looking at these textbooks that these other students were using in their classes, I wondered if I would have even chosen to major in economics if I had to use the texts they were using.  I really feel that Mankiw does a great job at focusing on what&#039;s really important to a new student of economics.  And his explanations are VERY good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of textbooks, I&#8217;m just going to make a little pitch for one particular author.  The profs I had for Principles of Macroeconomics (Econ 205) and Principles of Microeconomics (Econ 206) both used N. Gregory Mankiw texts, and they were the best written texts I had in my college career.  As a tutor for students in the principles classes, I got to see a lot of other principles texts, and I didn&#8217;t see any that I felt were anywhere close to as good as his.  Some were AWFUL.  Many times when looking at these textbooks that these other students were using in their classes, I wondered if I would have even chosen to major in economics if I had to use the texts they were using.  I really feel that Mankiw does a great job at focusing on what&#8217;s really important to a new student of economics.  And his explanations are VERY good.</p>
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		<title>By: Nik Drescher</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Nik Drescher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, it is usually cheaper to split the cost of a text book or find someone the first day of class who has it and ask them if you can photocopy it. 10 cents a page for a 500 page book + the cost of buying a three wring binder for the copies. That is alot cheaper then $120 to $200.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, it is usually cheaper to split the cost of a text book or find someone the first day of class who has it and ask them if you can photocopy it. 10 cents a page for a 500 page book + the cost of buying a three wring binder for the copies. That is alot cheaper then $120 to $200.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://www.profswitzer.com/blog/2009/04/textbook-ripoffs/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always wondered how much information actually changes from edition to edition.  So books have 10 to 15 editions which to me just seems rediculous unless major changes are constantly happening and in which case hands on experience seems to be the best way to learn.  When companies are coming out with a new version every 2 years and changing only a couple of things that is just a slap in the face of students, knowing many have to buy it to do well in classes.  

The best textbook I have ever bought was in its 2nd edition and was already 5 years old.  It had few thrills and frills.  The worst I had ever gotten was in its 11th edtition and was a year or 2 old and was coming out with a new one the upcoming fall. 

I think saving each student $40 per textbook is huge because if all 5 of a students professors did so it would save the student $200 a semester which for many students 1/2 to 2/3 of a months rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always wondered how much information actually changes from edition to edition.  So books have 10 to 15 editions which to me just seems rediculous unless major changes are constantly happening and in which case hands on experience seems to be the best way to learn.  When companies are coming out with a new version every 2 years and changing only a couple of things that is just a slap in the face of students, knowing many have to buy it to do well in classes.  </p>
<p>The best textbook I have ever bought was in its 2nd edition and was already 5 years old.  It had few thrills and frills.  The worst I had ever gotten was in its 11th edtition and was a year or 2 old and was coming out with a new one the upcoming fall. </p>
<p>I think saving each student $40 per textbook is huge because if all 5 of a students professors did so it would save the student $200 a semester which for many students 1/2 to 2/3 of a months rent.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfSwitzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfSwitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt brings up a few good points. If you&#039;re selling books back on ebay or half.com, selling in May or December is the worst time possible. Hold onto it for few weeks and sell it when the semester starts, and you&#039;ll probably get more money for it. It would be nice if D2L allowed us into a course earlier, but it doesn&#039;t -- we can e-mail our students through D2L only a few days before classes begin to tell them about textbooks. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s probably another way (an e-mail address you can send a message to that sends that to everyone registered for the course), but I don&#039;t know how to do it. Anybody know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt brings up a few good points. If you&#8217;re selling books back on ebay or half.com, selling in May or December is the worst time possible. Hold onto it for few weeks and sell it when the semester starts, and you&#8217;ll probably get more money for it. It would be nice if D2L allowed us into a course earlier, but it doesn&#8217;t &#8212; we can e-mail our students through D2L only a few days before classes begin to tell them about textbooks. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s probably another way (an e-mail address you can send a message to that sends that to everyone registered for the course), but I don&#8217;t know how to do it. Anybody know?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Nicklay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nicklay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think about Thomas and Maurice for a Managerial Economics textbook? We are using it right now in the graduate Managerial Economics course and I think it is perfect. It is by no means over advanced. The MBA&#039;s in the class who have only had 205/206 are managing just fine with the book. It has a great combination of microeconomic theory and tools with a few well placed chapters applying statistical tactics to relevant topics. The 2SLS section was moved to an appendix so any statistics encountered in the textbook is manageable of any student who understands basic OLS regression. However, 2SLS is a really cool thing to learn. Last week we took US data on copper sales and consumption and derived the equilibrium price and quantity using 2SLS and that was fun to see, as it makes you appreciate the &quot;given&quot; demand and supply curves in the questions we have been seeing for years.  The math in the textbook isn&#039;t to dirty either. There is a little calculus used in almost every chapter, but it appears at the end in the math appendix.

Anyways, I agree that textbooks are way over priced and have been for some time. I for one have been taking advantage of International Student Editions on eBay for my last few semesters. Outside of the cover, they are usually always exactly the same. International Editions are usually 1/2 the price brand new of the US hardcover version a textbook. I also have nothing but good things to say about the quality/durability of these softcover International Editions. The MU/P for International Editions &gt; MU/P for US Editions, so I don&#039;t plan to be buying any US Editions anytime soon.

Lastly, I think students learned after the 1st or 2nd semester in college that buying textbooks at the bookstore is a terrible idea. Students here at SCSU need to take advantage of HuskyBooksExpress&#039;s feature that tells you exactly what books are required for each class you are registered for weeks before the semester starts. It goes also that teacher&#039;s should aid their students by deciding on a textbook as early as possible and getting that information to the right place so students have plenty of time to scope the market and find a good deal on all of their textbooks. I&#039;ll admit that I frequent eBay in the off months and have bought a few textbooks at dirt cheap prices and held them until the start of a semester and put them for sale on eBay and made a nice return. Just another way to hedge the costs of textbooks every semester!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think about Thomas and Maurice for a Managerial Economics textbook? We are using it right now in the graduate Managerial Economics course and I think it is perfect. It is by no means over advanced. The MBA&#8217;s in the class who have only had 205/206 are managing just fine with the book. It has a great combination of microeconomic theory and tools with a few well placed chapters applying statistical tactics to relevant topics. The 2SLS section was moved to an appendix so any statistics encountered in the textbook is manageable of any student who understands basic OLS regression. However, 2SLS is a really cool thing to learn. Last week we took US data on copper sales and consumption and derived the equilibrium price and quantity using 2SLS and that was fun to see, as it makes you appreciate the &#8220;given&#8221; demand and supply curves in the questions we have been seeing for years.  The math in the textbook isn&#8217;t to dirty either. There is a little calculus used in almost every chapter, but it appears at the end in the math appendix.</p>
<p>Anyways, I agree that textbooks are way over priced and have been for some time. I for one have been taking advantage of International Student Editions on eBay for my last few semesters. Outside of the cover, they are usually always exactly the same. International Editions are usually 1/2 the price brand new of the US hardcover version a textbook. I also have nothing but good things to say about the quality/durability of these softcover International Editions. The MU/P for International Editions &gt; MU/P for US Editions, so I don&#8217;t plan to be buying any US Editions anytime soon.</p>
<p>Lastly, I think students learned after the 1st or 2nd semester in college that buying textbooks at the bookstore is a terrible idea. Students here at SCSU need to take advantage of HuskyBooksExpress&#8217;s feature that tells you exactly what books are required for each class you are registered for weeks before the semester starts. It goes also that teacher&#8217;s should aid their students by deciding on a textbook as early as possible and getting that information to the right place so students have plenty of time to scope the market and find a good deal on all of their textbooks. I&#8217;ll admit that I frequent eBay in the off months and have bought a few textbooks at dirt cheap prices and held them until the start of a semester and put them for sale on eBay and made a nice return. Just another way to hedge the costs of textbooks every semester!</p>
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