This Week in Hypocrisy

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(Alternate Title: Will Someone With an Actual Solution PLEASE STAND UP?)

I’ve been trying to let more political things slide so it doesn’t make me crazy, but today’s roundtable on ABC’s This Week was so chock full of insanity that I had to post.

First, Al Sharpton is asked what the state of Arizona is supposed to do about their illegal immigration problem. Rev. Sharpton does not answer that question at all, putting it back on the federal government saying “the federal government is supposed to make immigration policy.” (Shame on Jake Tapper for not following up and asking him to actually answer the question about what states should do when the federal government does not do their job.)

Sharpton is no fan of the bill and is organizing a protest on Wednesday. He says it is not about protecting illegal immigrants; it is about protecting legal Hispanics who might be racially profiled. There is validity to his point if you believe that police will not follow the law. (Technically, the law doesn’t do that; but the executive order that Governor Jan Brewer signed the day she signed the law specifically prohibits racial profiling.)

[Aside: We can differ about the extent to which this would be done. Those who have a problem with this bill, mostly liberals, seem to believe that police just love racially profiling and will do it whenever they have the chance; then they say it's unfair that they get a bad rap about their stance on law and order. And it's wrong to presume that someone with brown skin is an illegal alien, but apparently it's totally justifiable to just presume cops are racist. The presumption of innocence works both ways.]

Sharpton’s evidence that the law goes too far in impinging on citizens’ rights? “The recognition of that is the state of Arizona’s legislature just refined what they said over the weekend. They conceded that we’re right and they had to refine it.” Sharpton’s argument is this: the law is bad, and we know it is bad because they had to fix it.

Never mind the fact that the bad parts of the bill WERE FIXED BY THE LEGISLATURE. Sharpton’s mad about parts of the bill that were fixed just days later, and he’s holding a protest over a bill that has been refined and improved. At this point, my brain is starting to hurt just a little bit making sense of this.

George Will tries to make an argument that, when you go to a courthouse, you have to show ID, so why is it unreasonable to ask people for ID, especially when federal immigration law requires all legal immigrants to carry their immigration papers on them at all times, and has done so for over a half century? Sharpton has a very good response to him: EVERYONE at the courthouse has to show ID, not just people that might look like illegal immigrants. I actually agree with Sharpton on this. One solution is to simply ask everyone for ID any time they come in contact with police officers, or any time they use government services. It would seem that the standard Sharpton wants is that everyone has to be asked for ID then, right?

Wrong. When asked about the Democrats’ new bill that would require everyone to show a national ID card for employment purposes, Sharpton doesn’t like that either, saying, “I would have some very serious questions with some aspects of the Democratic bill but I’m going to see what ultimately ends up being the Democratic bill and I’m sure a lot of us in the civil rights community will question parts of it.”

Let me get this straight. Sharpton doesn’t like when people are selectively required to show ID, but now apparently doesn’t like when people are all required to show ID. Not sure what Sharpton actually wants to do about immigration? Neither is George Will, who then asks him, “What enforcement of immigration laws do you support?” Sharpton never answers this question. Neither Jake Tapper nor George Will can get Al Sharpton to say what either states or the federal government can do to enforce immigration laws.

Rev. Sharpton has no solutions, but he throws a darn good rally. And did you catch the double standard he applied there?

In talking about the Republican bill, he ignores the fact that the legislature has amended the bill to improve and refine it; improvements don’t matter, it’s a bad bill and we’ll pass judgment based on the initial bill. In fact, we’ll throw a protest to show our displeasure with the initial bill, even though there have been changes.

But in talking about the Democratic bill, he doesn’t want to pass judgment on the bill until it is improved and refined. Wouldn’t want to jump to any conclusions.

If that wasn’t bad enough, I have two words for you: Bill Maher. I watch his show on HBO every week. I don’t want to be accused by people of only listening to what people who believe what I believe have to say. It’s often frustrating, but it’s definitely educational. He usually has one Republican (if that) and two Democrats, along with himself. When John Bolton mad a statement about protecting our country from terrorism, about 4 people in his audience applauded. Bolten responded, “You let in Republicans?” If you’ve ever watched the show, it’s clear that Maher is a liberal, as is his audience, and his show clearly slants left. He used to be a libertarian but now it would be a stretch to call him that, because he wants more government intervention in almost everything (except for drugs, of course; we all know Bill likes him some weed). He says outlandish things and then uses the excuse that he is a comedian to not be held accountable for them, much like Al Franken does. It was the first time I can remember ABC putting a comedian on a political roundtable and it was to their detriment.

He starts off by playing the “Republicans and conservatives are racists” angle here: “But government intrusion, you know, government power, is something that really bothers conservatives unless it’s directed toward people who aren’t white. It does seem like there’s some of that going on there.”

Tapper counters Maher’s statement with statements by Republican officials condemning the Arizona law. George Will says, “Mr. Maher just said, if I heard him right, that conservatives basically are racists and they like government intrusion only against people who aren’t white.”

Maher clearly said the second part of that. While he didn’t specifically say that conservatives are racists, a) it is undoubtedly implied in his statement, and b) Will did qualify it with the word “basically.”

Katrina van den Heuvel apparently hasn’t been listening to anything that was said, as she says, “I didn’t hear that.” It seems some Democrats want to have it both ways: they want to say that Republicans are racist, so that minorities will vote Democrat, but when confronted they want to say that they didn’t just play the race card. It’s disingenuous and shameful.

To clarify what he said, Maher says this: “Let me defend myself. I would never say, and I have never said, because it’s not true, that Republicans, all Republicans, are racist. That would be silly and wrong. But nowadays, if you are racist, you’re probably a Republican.” Sounds an awful lot like: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be Muslims.” When people say that, they are called racist. Hopefully that same standard will be applied to Bill Maher. But I doubt it will because, after all, he’s just a comedian.

When Jake Tapper asks him at the end of the discussion, “Bill, what should be done to protect the border?” his response is, “I pass.” He and one or two others laugh. But this is not funny. You’re on a political talk show about serious issues and you pass judgment about those that make policy, even implying that they are racist, but when asked to come up with one policy suggestion, you have absolutely nothing to contribute. I’ve been looking for a reason to cancel my HBO subscription for a while. I think I’ve just found it.

This is the problem with “political dialogue,” if it can even be called that, in America these days. Both Sharpton and Maher want to condemn people who make policy decisions to confront real problems they face because these people made decisions that Sharpton and Maher think are wrong. But when asked what decisions they would make in the face of those problems, neither one of them even tries to answer the question. It’s shameful.

Matthew Dowd, another panelist on today’s program said, summarized it well: “To me, this conversation is another example of why people that tune in and people that think they’re going to get an answer from Washington, from Democrats or Republicans, on almost any issue, whether it’s protecting the environment, whether it’s stopping things on Wall Street, whether it’s immigration reform, whether it’s enforcement of any law. That is why they’re fed up.”

Until someone has an actual solution to something they claim is a problem, I’m not going to listen to what they have to say any more, and you probably shouldn’t either. As they say in economics, if you don’t like the model I’m using, it’s your duty to tell me how to fix my model or show me that another model will yield better results. You may not like how I do something, but unless you can show me what you would do instead and how it would solve the problem better, you’re not a political thinker. You’re just a critic.

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  1. Bowler  •  May 2, 2010 @1:06 pm

    Maher calling himself a libertarian was one of the main reasons I’d always qualify myself when offering my affiliation. Also, I’m pretty much a dove when it comes to immigration, legal or illegal. I’m skeptical of O’Reilly’s view that most illegal immigrants break other laws, but when “what again does the Federal Reserve do?” Al Sharpton and Maher team up, I begin thinking there might be some legitimacy to this AZ law. (Also, Maher, Brazil seems to be pretty excited about its new oil find…)

  2. ProfSwitzer  •  May 2, 2010 @3:05 pm

    Maher says they’re “off of oil.” When confronted by Will he just says he “thinks” it to be true. Then later says he wants a fact-check on it because he’s pretty sure he didn’t just dream it.

    My theory: he was high when we was learning about Brazil’s oil situation. He might want to check out this link: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Brazil/Oil.html

    They’ve been producing and consuming more oil annually for the last decade. It was just that a few years ago they became self-sufficient. Not because of increased ethanol production or decreased consumption, but because of increased oil production.

    I appreciate his point of view but it’s often ill-informed, as this example shows. And to elevate him to the level of Reich, Krugman, Will and Noonan does ABC a huge disservice.

  3. Benjamin Seghers  •  May 6, 2010 @8:53 pm

    I think there is a solution to “illegal immigration,” which I believe is to not make immigration illegal. It ought to be legal. In other words, free trade ought to be legal rather than illegal. Make globalization work. Those against free trade have always argued the free movement of labor ought to be criminalized, but there’s very little merit to the argument. I really don’t think the appeals to nationalism hold up against scrutiny. Almost every bit of economic research I’ve come across has shown that immigration (legal or otherwise) has a net benefit. And the idea that people are crossing the border to kill your family rather than to find a more decent life for their own is almost prima facie absurd.

  4. ProfSwitzer  •  May 6, 2010 @10:37 pm

    I think I agree with you on most of that, Benjamin, but I have an issue with anyone who wants to put “illegal immigration” in quotes. Laws define what is legal or illegal and it is in fact against the law to enter this country without permission. Call me crazy (or call it nationalism), but I believe a country has a right to control its borders and know who is actually inside the country. I have no problem with people from other countries wanting to come here. If I were in a corrupt country like Mexico and had a family to support, I would want to also. But people in Mexico don’t have an inherent right to a better life in the United States, just as people in the United States aren’t guaranteed a certain lifestyle (although that seems to be changing). I understand people wanting to come to this country. Just do it legally.

    I’m all for expanding legal immigration, but there’s no political will for that when the government isn’t even enforcing the laws they already have on the books. Talking about legal immigration without first getting control over the border is pointless. If you don’t like the contract we have with the rest of the world and want to change the terms, we can change them; but that’s moot when nobody’s enforcing the contract to begin with. (I know you’re in favor of the government setting the rules, Benjamin.) The system we have in place now favors those to the south of us just because they happened to be born next to us, while those in other countries wait years to get here legally. What about immigrants that have an ocean between them and us? (Rhetorical — no need to answer it.)

    I’m in favor of a strong border and expanded legal immigration. It seems to be politically unpopular to do either of those things, which is unfortunate. If you favor a strong border, you get called racist. If you try to legalize those already here, you are called soft. But if you’re going to give illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship, you have to seal the border or you’ll just encourage more of it. Police the border, enforce the laws we have, and then we can talk about increasing legal immigration. Our again population is going to need an influx of labor (just as Minnesota does) very soon. I think we should start now. But we have a right to know who’s in our country.

  5. Benjamin Seghers  •  May 6, 2010 @11:43 pm

    I don’t understand the argument for stronger borders. Yeah, I would probably call it nationalism. I mean, does anyone advocate strong borders between states? No. Why should we have strong borders between countries? It goes against the idea of globalization.

    Does the fact that someone was born 10 miles south of some location means he’s going to invade our country to kill our innocent children? That’s absurd. Those who advocate further militarization of our border, border walls, and so on conveniently ignore the fact that the northern border is far more porous than the southern border. It’s not about safety. That much is clear.

    The reason I put “illegal immigration” is quotes is because I find it entirely nonsensical that immigration is criminalized. I understand that it’s against the law. I don’t think that makes it justified though. Someone crossing the border to find a more decent life for their family is a criminal under federal law. But he is a criminal because some bureaucrat in Washington says he is, not because he’s violated someone’s rights for example.

    So should we enforce absurd laws, or should we repeal them and find more rational ways to deal with the issue? It’s a law, but it doesn’t have to be.

  6. ProfSwitzer  •  May 7, 2010 @9:20 am

    Most people who want us to prevent illegal immigration are not talking about invaders killing our children. But if you want an analogy, here’s one: should you leave your door open so that anybody who wants can come into your house? Sure, they may be great people and help clean up around the house and make lively conversation. Or they might just raid the refrigerator and eat all your food. Either way, shouldn’t you have the right to decide who enters your home? If so, then why? What makes you better than the person who wants to come into your home?

    If you are going to compare borders of a country to borders on a state, I don’t know what to tell you, Benjamin. States are part of the same country. Countries are different countries. That shouldn’t be difficult to understand. It’s the difference between saying you have a right to lock your front door to keep out unwanted people, but every door inside your house shouldn’t remain locked so that your family is free to move around within your home.

    It seems you believe that all citizens of the world have the same rights everywhere. It is not a basic human right to live in this country. Sorry. EVERY country has borders, the vast majority enforce them, and they give their citizens more rights than they give immigrants.

    From your last paragraph, it seems we’re speaking past each other a bit. I agree with you that we should have a more rational immigration policy. But without any threat of enforcement, you can never get that. If you don’t like the way firms in an industry are behaving, because of an externality for example, the government can regulate them. Make them produce cleaner or better or more safely. But the only way that works is if you can fine companies that don’t follow the rules and police companies that operate without a business license. That’s all I’m asking for in immigration policy.

  7. Benjamin Seghers  •  May 7, 2010 @12:04 pm

    You should every right to regulate who can or cannot enter your home. The reason is because your home is your property. If we assume property rights are legitimate rights, as everyone on the right agrees are, then we can assume people have the right to dictate who is allowed on their property.

    But do you have the right to your country? That’s not a right. The country isn’t your property, for example. You have no property rights to some artificial border. Someone crossing an artificial border to find work has violated no one’s rights. They are not criminals. They are only “criminals” because a bureaucrat in Washington calls them one.

    That’s why the house analogy is silly. There’s very little similar about it. Your country is not like your house, and there’s many good reasons for that.

    Why should it be legitimate for the state to regulate what nationality firms can hire? Where does this authority come from? Is it somewhere in the Constitution? And why should you have the right to live here, but not the guy born 10 miles south of some artificial border? What gives you that right, but not the other guy? There doesn’t seem to be a strong argument for individualism there.

    Of course, we’re all supposed to be individualists, believe in individual rights, liberty, and small government–except for the issues that concern us, like immigration. Then we’re supposed to believe big government is there to help us, that we should turn into a police state, have national I.D.s, Big Brother, etc.

    I mean, I simply don’t see the rationale behind not letting someone into your country if they haven’t violated anyone’s rights. Maybe he’ll “eat all your food.” But maybe he wont. In fact, he probably wont. Of course, the guy living next to you could just as easily “eat all your food” as the guy who was born a few miles away from this artificial border of yours. And, as it’s already been noted, the northern border is far more porous than the southern one, but no one talks about that.

    Is it because Mexicans are “stealing our jobs”? What is it?

  8. ProfSwitzer  •  May 7, 2010 @1:19 pm

    This country is the property of the citizens of the United States. We have a right, through our government, to control who comes into our country. I guess you cannot be convinced of that, and therein lies the difference between our opinions on this.

    You’re going to have a hard time convincing the 9.9% of people that are unemployed that some illegal immigrants are only doing the work that Americans don’t want to do. They’re doing the work Americans don’t want to do “at the low wage that is paid to illegals.” I have no problem with a low-skilled labor force entering this country — but it has to be done legally.

    And the difference between the way we treat borders is probably because the numbers of people entering through them is vastly different. Canada’s economy is doing pretty well, so people from there don’t feel the need to violate our sovereignty by coming into our country. With limited resources, you focus your efforts accordingly.

    And that’s the end of this debate here.

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